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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: iLoveRoxys on March 29, 2012, 10:34 pm
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Wow, am I the ONLY person who didn't FE for this guy? I mean, yeah the 20% extra promotion was tempting (slightly) but I would NEVER FE for someone having never dealt with them before. It just amazes me to see how many "finalizing early for trusted seller" feedbacks this guy has received in the last 3 days. How is he a trusted seller? Has anyone actually ever received anything from this guy? I've only seen one actual review of him on the forums. And it wasn't THAT convincing... Do people not realize that it is VERY easy to fake feedback/credibility? People... The escrow system is your friend. USE IT!
I placed my order on Sunday and was told it would "definitely" be shipped out Monday. It is now Thursday and I have yet to receive it. Yes, I realize that 3 days is not a very long time, but I've never had an order from a domestic vendor take longer than 3 days to arrive. And I have almost 50 SR transactions.
Also, I responded to his message regarding the promotion, respectfully declining the offer and telling him that I would prefer to stay within escrow for this first transaction with him. I also asked him a question regarding a possible future order if things go smoothly. Both messages show as being read but I never received a response from him. Hmmmm... doesn't it seem strange that as soon as I tell the guy I'm not going to FE, he stops communicating with me?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm still holding out hope for this guy. It would be GREAT to have another reliable domestic dope vendor here on SR. But I must admit, I am starting to get sketched out here. Something just seems very strange. Any time a new seller asks people to FE it immediately raises red flags in my book. Although he did state that he "wouldn't require it due to my excellent buyer rating", the 20% extra promotion just seems like a ruse to try and convince more established buyers to FE. And it appears to be working...
I will update if/when I receive product.
Thoughts?
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Yea, I'm real new here so I didn't have any choice but to FE. I ordered on Tuesday, a little before the mass-influx of FE and am hoping the product will arrive promptly. It definitely does scare me that you haven't received yours yet and I certainly would not FE early with the 20% extra option if I was given the choice. I was unaware of this incentive when I placed the order, otherwise it certainly would have raised red flags. Hes been courteous and communicative since I've FE'd though and has told me it should take 3-4 days for my package to arrive. At least some of the people who ordered on Sunday should have received their packages by now, and the fact that no one has confirmed is troubling...
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ordered some poppy seeds. didn't ask me to fe but have stellar history. will update once received.
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MagnoliaMarlo, exactly my thoughts. At least SOME people should have received their orders by now, but it appears no one has. Very sketchy... I'm all but convinced this guy is a scammer.
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Yep, I'm quickly losing hope here. Ugh, that sucks.
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the thing is, AM could clear up all this gossip by showing up on the forum and talking this mob down.... seriously between this and the H thread, people seem ready to string this guy up.... and all he would have to do is make an appearance and say, 'xyz, yadda, yadda, yadda and hey, hey, hey'.... the fact that he hasn't makes me glad that i ordered from thecloser29, which hasn't gotten the golden reviews, but at least seems to be arriving....
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i dont get why so many people wanted to risk it for this dude when for first time on SR we have a load of reputable H sellers. saving 20 bucks or whatever is not worth that risk. we will never get rid of scammers here if people are willing to throw all common sense out the window for 20$
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i dont get why so many people wanted to risk it for this dude when for first time on SR we have a load of reputable H sellers. saving 20 bucks or whatever is not worth that risk. we will never get rid of scammers here if people are willing to throw all common sense out the window for 20$
I know the fact that it was domestic (wanted a little end of the week treat) and very reasonably priced are the big reasons I went with AM. At the time there weren't that many FE and I was mainly looking at ratings from his last batch. Not making any conclusions or pointing any fingers quite yet but I am starting to doubt things are gonna work out. His unusually low price, extra incentives to FE (communicated by PM), and the fact that the Sunday orders haven't arrived yet is obviously worrisome to me, but hey he could come through and make a lot of people happy :)
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I ran around in circles yesterday getting enough BTC to place an order with AM yesterday. He Shipped Thursday. I chose Priority Mail. I also only ordered from him as I needed something by the end of the week. He said it should arrive "Monday-ish" - I figured Saturday at the latest. If I had wanted to wait until early next week I would have just ordered with Tony.
I did NOT FE.
Buyers, please keep this thread updated daily with any and all news.
I am in the process of reading up and getting as much info soon on Noriega's 1 G** #4 ASIAN WHITE HEROIN ** - like how stealthy the shipping is from the NL to the US, plus all the usual stuff and will start a thread to get as much info as I can. I'd read up now, but I got a gram today and with zero tolerance - life is too fucking good to waste it on reading a bunch of pages/feedback right now...
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Like others have said, the fact he was 'local' rather than, u know, far far away. On the FE, in hindsight, I agree, tho I don't put 'trusted vendor' just 'finalized early, will edit, etc etc/ And I too, have perfect 'buyer' rep, never edit feedback to keep updated, never ever have it finalize automatically, but when I got the offer ti 'finalize early,' plus the other shit, it now looks sketchy. So I've been looking around. Ah well, give a week more, then start crying...
Good call tho, and good to see people studying that shit, and letting newer members know how the came to these conclusions: which, IMO, are correct. I should have studied around, seen that there was only FE's and--since there was no real need for me to do it--stayed in escrow, as if we keep finalizing early, we'll keep getting vendors who expect it.
Finalizing Early, if it's used at all, should be strictly a reward done my buyers, to sellers they know and trust, usually if they are in a bind. The fact that it is now used almost automatically for newbies, and then comes a second note 'requesting' that the others do it too, also often automatic, is a bad bad trend. My bad.
Anyway, the bloke seemed a good egg, and hopefully this will come to nothing.
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fwiw its worth I posted in the vendors thread that he pmd me quickly thanking me for letting him know that there was quite a bit of commotion on the forums thinking that something might be wrong. However, he hasn't showed up on the boards yet to my knowledge.
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Wow.
So I just went and checked his buyers comments on his vendor page. 5 and 1/2 pages of comments dating back 4 days all finalize earlys, and no one has received anything yet. I guess 4 days is still resonable, I really hope people start updating their comments with product received. I know how shitty it is getting ripped off and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. And the comment just before all the finalize earlys talks about how poor the quality of the dope is and had a shitty cut. I just can't believe it. Totally baffles me...
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fingers crossed you guys get some confirmed deliveries today, if people had packages go out monday then should be some deliveries today. Will be crossing fingers all day for you guys.
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I also msg'd AM about the forums. He got back to me, didn't know exactly what I was talking about, so I gave him a link to this thread directly. We'll see.
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I'm still remaining optimistic in spite of two consecutive days of postal sadness. I ordered Sunday, and it was supposed to have been shipped Monday. Domestic usually takes 3-4 days.
Mulder hooked me up once before, so I've been pretty vocal in vouching for him this time. I'm going to feel really shitty if people don't start getting their packages by today's end or tomorrow.
I've had a run of bad luck lately. One vendor goes MIA after I order... End up having to cancel. Second order with another vendor, and PGP gets fucked up. Vendor goes on vaca and I have to cancel again. Order from third vendor- listing disappears, and the order is still sitting in "processing" 24 hours later. Will probably have to cancel that one too.
2 weeks and four orders later, and I still don't have any dope for the weekend.
And I've been worrying about only ordering domestic? Tony76, here I fucking come.
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dito dito dito
my mail comes really late so idk about today yet but fact no one has gotten on and said they finally got makes me nervous
like i said in h vendor forum: i fe'd b/c i thought and still think promo is risky but good idea in right hands..and yeah i bought b/c i thought it was time i supported a new local vendor (gotta take small risks sometimes: only way we'll get new reliable competition established, i needed fast, cheap (literally couldn't afford anything more anyway so it was that or wait for more btcs), and there were relatively positive reviews both on feedback and forums..but i guess that stuff could be faked by someone really committed..and unfort it seems it'd be worth it as theres least 2k in collective nervous buyers on forums..oh well i didn't get much and pj was who i was truly relying on, ordered at exact same time and he came through yesterday..but im really not truly worried til tmrw if still nothing 4 full days (if shipped tues am like claimed) is too long from anywhere us (at least to all of us here) im shutting up on this topic til at least that long
plus im not that upset i fe'd at all, id rather lose small amount of money and get to deal w all vendors than fuck up my refund rate.
if it does come through: sorry am for doubting but you understand how it is, if you do come through for us all you'll have a lot of i told ya so's to give
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It has now been 4 full business days since AgentMulder claimed he shipped it and I still haven't received anything. I'm now officially convinced he's a scammer.
What I don't understand tho is why the hell are people STILL FEing for him? To anyone who Finalized Early for him today: you almost deserve to lose your money! It's people like you who allow scammers to thrive on this website. If people would just use the escrow sysytem the way it was designed, we wouldn't have scammers in the first place...
Anyways, I'm off to place an order with Tony76... A little bit of patience never hurt anybody. If I would have just been willing to wait the 4-5 days from Canada in the first place I'd probably already have it by now. Ironic isn't it?
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dito dito dito
my mail comes really late so idk about today yet but fact no one has gotten on and said they finally got makes me nervous
like i said in h vendor forum: i fe'd b/c i thought and still think promo is risky but good idea in right hands..and yeah i bought b/c i thought it was time i supported a new local vendor (gotta take small risks sometimes: only way we'll get new reliable competition established, i needed fast, cheap (literally couldn't afford anything more anyway so it was that or wait for more btcs), and there were relatively positive reviews both on feedback and forums..but i guess that stuff could be faked by someone really committed..and unfort it seems it'd be worth it as theres least 2k in collective nervous buyers on forums..oh well i didn't get much and pj was who i was truly relying on, ordered at exact same time and he came through yesterday..but im really not truly worried til tmrw if still nothing 4 full days (if shipped tues am like claimed) is too long from anywhere us (at least to all of us here) im shutting up on this topic til at least that long
plus im not that upset i fe'd at all, id rather lose small amount of money and get to deal w all vendors than fuck up my refund rate.
if it does come through: sorry am for doubting but you understand how it is, if you do come through for us all you'll have a lot of i told ya so's to give
My sentiments exactly.
And I'm less worried about losing $50 bucks than I am about not having dope for the weekend. 1st world problems, for sure.
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Thought I'd update all of you guys with this, just a quick dialogue I had with AM.
Mulder,
I don't understand why you couldn't reply in the forums, it would take very little time and calm everyone down a lot. A bunch of factors are really making your reputation look terrible and if you are a legitimate seller it would certainly be in your best interest to clear this up. I noticed that you were active in finalizing orders with people on here but you never responded in the forums after I notified you of this last night. If people don't get their orders today I think everyone is going to know what the deal is, I am obviously hoping that there is some weird reason that none of the Sunday orders got their shipments yet. Time will tell.
MagnoliaMarlo,
I didn't reply in the forums as I don't generally use the forums. I went and read everything that's going on, but I'm not going to go and babysit everyone as they cry about their packages being a few days late. I honest to god have sent EVERYONE'S order out, so I am really not sure why some users haven't received theirs yet. I agree...time will tell. I hope this isn't some kind of LE interception thing... :/
--AM
I see, thanks for responding. Hopefully you are right, I hope you understand why we are getting worried as it's not a single exception, but rather that none of the early orders that have been placed have reached. I really do put value in your response though, and will hold judgement til I am sure of what I am saying. Say they did get intercepted, would you have a plan of action?
-ManoliaMarlo
If they did get intercepted, I'd of course give refunds to everyone who's packages didn't arrive. And it's certainly not that NONE of the early orders have arrived yet, just that those who's packages have arrived aren't the ones responding in the forums....
--AM
didn't see any FE's update to confirm they received their package. But I did see this
lesson learned. Thank you!!
sooo.... what do you guys make of all this?
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Well, to my knowledge, no one has received anything yet. Believe me, I'd be chomping at the bit to post if I had. Seems like everyone else would be doing the same.
I'm pretty much ready to let new buyers deal with new vendors while I stick to the ones I know. I don't give two shits about my 50 bucks, but I do care about my fucking time spent wasted on something I could have gotten elsewhere with less worry and better communication.
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I find it interesting that AM immediately jumped to an excuse of why peoples packages haven't arrived. "I hope its not an LE interception thing" he says. Most vendors who genuinely have sent orders are gonna say just wait a few more days, it will be there, they will not find an excuse right off the bat that gives them an out as to why no ones package has shown up.
LE intercepting every single package this guy has sent off seems extremely far fetched. Ridiculous, no honest vendor is gonna say that kind of thing IME.
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I think it would be naive to say that this might work out. It looks like the oh so common scammer tactic... send out a batch of orders, build up some report, post another set of listings, and let the orders roll in. With the extra 20% offer, more people will finalize early, plus his PM when offering the promo sounds a lot like tony's (great idea, gain confidence by emulating a known/trusted vendor. For those who don't release funds he still has 10 days to string people along with excuses and promises that their orders will arrive.
The same shit happens all the time. Same story, same scam.
imagine how many people were drawn in by his description, gear as good as tony's (yeah right) at half the price! plus its domestic! Great communication (of course, he wants your btc)!
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HONESTLY i dont understand why you people do this shit..
12+ people ALL doing FE's and not a single feedback of a received package.
And the REVIEW he got, Smells like Him hyping his own shit.
I dont mean to sound like a dick, But IMO you all deserve to be ripped off, Because maybe next time you will use some brains instead of handing $100+ to someone with 0 feedback
SPECIALLY when epic vendors like tony are around, With better dope and only a few BTC more.
If it comes out that AM has scammed, I will laugh my ass off, There is no excuse for being that stupid
Losty, I'm beginning to see just exactly why you are so popular around here. I'm laying the sarcasm on pretty fucking thick, in case you're not picking up on it.
And let me add... I'm not about to be dope sick, so tell me again who's really being the stupid one.
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looks like all my questions/concerns about AM, my order, etc have now been answered.
I did not FE.
I put in a order with tony early yesterday. got gear now, so I can shrug it off... sorry for anyone/all that got fucked...
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I posted this in the H thread. Looking at all these comments, the scam accusation is probably accurate.
AgentMulder states on his profile to wait 2 weeks before contacting him about missing shipment and says that shipments will be delayed due to the USPS is going out of business. If you research carefully, you will find that this is not true. There was a sort of "scare" that the USPS was going to go out of business, but that was in the middle of last year, and the Post Master General has stated that this is not going to happen. I haven't had any domestic orders be affected by this suppsed "going out of business." It seems fishy to me that he's the only vendor (that I've seen) who feels the need to post a DISCLAIMER about delayed mail only a couple days after putting up his listings. Between the "promotion," the FE, the wait on my shipment, and the disclaimer, this is looking more and more to be scammish. Wait two weeks? By that time, he'll be long gone with all our money if he wants to be. Two weeks is too long for domestic.
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Mulder hooked me up once before, so I've been pretty vocal in vouching for him this time. I'm going to feel really shitty if people don't start getting their packages by today's end or tomorrow.
Are you saying you have ordered successfully from AM in the past?
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I ordered a .1g from AM and it was shipped on Wed (hopefully). I just wanted to chime in on the thread and put my two cents in... I'm a bit nervous about the purchase now, I did FE but I can lose the 30 bucks. I consider it a small price to pay to know who is legit and who is not.
Anyway - His profile says, "New Heroin Vendor, shipping from within the United States! (Also, currently only shipping to within the United States.)" Wouldn't a scammer say shipping anywhere to lure as many people as possible? Also, I can't decide whether his shipping disclaimer is suspect or simply an attempt to calm people down. I'm not ready to hammer the guy just yet, although there is plenty of evidence to suggest he might be a scammer and I understand anyone who has drawn that conclusion. I am just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Although, the fact he hasn't responded in forums is a clear indication of how he views this business. Even if he's not a scammer, the fact he doesn't take the time to do "damage control" is a poor show of professionalism and customer retention.
Regardless, I would suggest NO ONE order from him until something is proven/disproven. Keeping my fingers crossed 8)
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Mulder hooked me up once before, so I've been pretty vocal in vouching for him this time. I'm going to feel really shitty if people don't start getting their packages by today's end or tomorrow.
Are you saying you have ordered successfully from AM in the past?
Yeah, that's why I was so vocal about finalizing early. I ordered a .1 sample because I had some coins left over from another order. Didn't think about it again until it arrived. He sent a vacuum sealed .2g sample. Mixed up a tiny shot, and was surprised- so surprised that I almost couldn't go back to work after doing the shot. It floored my wife for hours. Now, granted, I don't have the tolerance that I had when I used daily, but I still know good dope when I shoot it. This was good dope.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have finalized early. So I'm really kind of miffed here.
EDIT: Just wanted to add that it took 3-4 days, IIRC.
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I miss you Aphex
people are still placing orders and FE with Digitalink - no, AM - as I type this.
I've often wondered what the % of buyers that read the Forum to keep up-to-date. you don't have to post, just read from time to time.
I think the whole US based and ships only to the US was just for us, his target audience - people like me who just wanted to grab a quick taste for the weekend instead of waiting until the end of next week from CA.
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Anyone who's order was said to have gone out monday i recommend you message sr at http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259 and let them know you believe you were scammed and the guy is still selling. mulder will never know you sent the message anyway. i messaged sr i think 2 days ago to tell him something was fishy with this guy, to many FE"s to fast, he said he would keep an eye on him. need people who should have had package by now to message sr in hopes he suspends account.
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It just takes time, to know who's good, who's bad...he hasn't been here long enough, that's all. Yeah, it's always a mistake to finalize early for new vendors, no matter what they say: that's why the rules in place which is being violated here, but that's too late for anybody who finalizes early already: he's not supposed to do that, but lots of people make mistake of not checking to see how long vendor has been here. Once they've been here a while, seems like most H vendors want to finalize early, and don't be too distressed yet, give it another few days anyway.
And I also want to say thankyou to those who have posted, to let us know how it goes, as this is the only way we can find out who is good, and who is bad, so I never make fun of people who get ripped: we *need* you to post, so we know. Hopefully these are just late arrivals, you don't want to worry to early, but I do agree: it's *never* LE when packages don't show. So nobody should buy anymore from this new vendor, until we see packages arriving...
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I see he took out the bit about the USPS going out of business. I've been corresponding with him, and initially I explained to him that he was misinformed about that. This is what he's said in reply to me asking about how no one is receiving their order. I assume no one has received theirs because people are talking about it in the forums and not a single person has updated their FE feedback. I guess it goes without saying that I can't be 100% sure that no one has received their package, but you would think that at least one person would have said something. Again, you would THINK, but I will acknowledge that there is a small possibility that people have received and are not update/posting in forums about it.
AgentMulder(98) re: subject
What do you mean nobody's received their packages yet? How do you even know that? I have several customers who've received their
packages already, it's just everyone who hasn't received it yet that you're hearing from. It's something called "Non-response bias", look it
up!
And then there is this message in response to me requesting my DCN. When I asked about DCNs before I ordered, he told me he didn't give out the DCNs to the buyers. I'm rushing this post and can't find the exact line in the correspondence, but the way he phrased it seemingly implied that he does do delivery confirmation, but he doesn't give out the number for what he called "security purposes." That was the somewhere in the first message. The in my last message, I asked if I could have my DCN for MY "security purposes" so that I can have confirmation that my package shipped. He replied:
AgentMulder(98) re: subject
I actually decided not use DCN's for any of the orders this time around. This is because of the "security concerns" I told you earlier (i.e. I
can't give them out anyways), and also because I give refunds to users who use First Class anyways, so it seems silly to pay extra for a
DCN that's not really necessary if I'm taking the word of my customers anyways about their package not arriving.
I dunno, I don't appreciate the cryptic nature of his claims and replies. Maybe I'm reading too much into his wording. As an H user, I tend to get a little paranoid and analytical when it comes to deals with my dope.
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Losty, you're coming off as super immature in my opinion. No need to add insult to injury, those of us who are worried right now are doing the right thing by coming here and trying to help the rest of the community. It happens. People make mistakes, and the important thing as that we learn from them, but I'm gonna try to steer clear of any drama so thats just my 2 cents (don't take it personally). Anyways, if they start coming in in the next few days, does anyone think the following is a possible scenario? Agent Mulder is low on funds and can't re-up so he puts up listings and turns the btc into cash, re-ups, and starts shipping out with a lag. If he's not scamming I definitely think it seems like something sketch like that is going on.
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man (most) people here are so great. thanks.
just in how theres clearly a pluralist majority, people are generally being rationale, good to one another. i mainly meant on the forums but this goes for most vendors too am or no. most of you: keep it up!
reading this last page or two has actually given me some perspective and cheered me up from all this, it was never the money that hurt, it was no postal joy, having trust abused, etc but i blame no one but myself (and am if still nothin rest o week)
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It just takes time, to know who's good, who's bad...he hasn't been here long enough, that's all. Yeah, it's always a mistake to finalize early for new vendors, no matter what they say: that's why the rules in place which is being violated here, but that's too late for anybody who finalizes early already: he's not supposed to do that, but lots of people make mistake of not checking to see how long vendor has been here. Once they've been here a while, seems like most H vendors want to finalize early, and don't be too distressed yet, give it another few days anyway.
And I also want to say thankyou to those who have posted, to let us know how it goes, as this is the only way we can find out who is good, and who is bad, so I never make fun of people who get ripped: we *need* you to post, so we know. Hopefully these are just late arrivals, you don't want to worry to early, but I do agree: it's *never* LE when packages don't show. So nobody should buy anymore from this new vendor, until we see packages arriving...
- can you elaborate on the "but I do agree: it's *never* LE when packages don't show." ??? at one point I had considered this might have been a honey-tap or like a way for any of the US gov's alphabet agencies to collect US users on here with their true name address, etc - but you're saying no, not at all like that?
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Losty, you're coming off as super immature in my opinion. No need to add insult to injury, those of us who are worried right now are doing the right thing by coming here and trying to help the rest of the community. It happens. People make mistakes, and the important thing as that we learn from them, but I'm gonna try to steer clear of any drama so thats just my 2 cents (don't take it personally). Anyways, if they start coming in in the next few days, does anyone think the following is a possible scenario? Agent Mulder is low on funds and can't re-up so he puts up listings and turns the btc into cash, re-ups, and starts shipping out with a lag. If he's not scamming I definitely think it seems like something sketch like that is going on.
-MM
I guess anything's possible. Could be he just got overwhelmed with a massive influx of orders he really didn't expect. His last listings got nowhere near the activity as these recent ones.
I dunno, I'm over it. I got over it as soon as my other order shipped. Sigh. Me and my First World problems. Grumble, grumble...
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I guess anything's possible. Could be he just got overwhelmed with a massive influx of orders he really didn't expect. His last listings got nowhere near the activity as these recent ones.
I dunno, I'm over it. I got over it as soon as my other order shipped. Sigh. Me and my First World problems. Grumble, grumble...
I don't think that's the case... He was encouraging orders quite enthusiastically. When I placed mine, he messaged me less than 5 min after telling me about the FE deal. He was eager. In retrospect, perhaps that should have told me something. I figured he's a new seller, and he's eager to make a good impression. Also he claims that all the orders went out. But I'm with you cacoethes, I'm over it for now. I said it a little while ago in the H thread, but now I actually am. lol.
I'm only out $20-something and I have a gram from PJ right now (drools) and then a paid sample from OPI :P Unless someone posts with new info or needs a question answered, I'm chillin'.
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yea, I'm on the same page. Out $100 but I'm not tripping, can only be pleasantly surprised from here on out :)
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I guess anything's possible. Could be he just got overwhelmed with a massive influx of orders he really didn't expect. His last listings got nowhere near the activity as these recent ones.
I dunno, I'm over it. I got over it as soon as my other order shipped. Sigh. Me and my First World problems. Grumble, grumble...
I don't think that's the case... He was encouraging orders quite enthusiastically. When I placed mine, he messaged me less than 5 min after telling me about the FE deal. He was eager. In retrospect, perhaps that should have told me something. I figured he's a new seller, and he's eager to make a good impression. Also he claims that all the orders went out. But I'm with you cacoethes, I'm over it for now. I said it a little while ago in the H thread, but now I actually am. lol.
I'm only out $20-something and I have a gram from PJ right now (drools) and then a paid sample from OPI :P Unless someone posts with new info or needs a question answered, I'm chillin'.
yep, minutes after placing the order he says I can FE for 20% more - I declined.
I do have a question: I never had to use the Resolution Center for a scammer, etc and I did not FE, so how does this work? do I end up getting my BTC back? like wait the 9 more days to Resolve and then go from there or something?
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This is off topic, but is anyone else locked out of the H thread?
I do have a question: I never had to use the Resolution Center for a scammer, etc and I did not FE, so how does this work? do I end up getting my BTC back? like wait the 9 more days to Resolve and then go from there or something?
I have never used the Resolution Center, so I can't help you there. Surely someone else can.
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I'm locked out too.
PS: I think I'm about to grab .25 from Opi cuz I want pebbles. I know tonys obviously clockwork but opi seems very consistent and good so far. Did I mention I want pebbles.
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Ok, first things first. Everyone that Finalized early and still has 5/5 Feedback needs to go back and change that to 1/5. Do it now. You can always change it back if you get your package.
This way at least people don't keep falling for this. I did not finalize early, but I am still hoping this isn't a scam. I really wanted to have my package today. If it shows up tomorrow, great, but today would have been a lot better.
I hate the waiting. Went through this with Italian Pilot, and lost money because of the change in BTC prices. I ordered a half which is a lot for me, and I really can't afford to buy another order while I'm waiting. And even if I did, there's the whole hassle of getting BTC again and all that BS. So Please Mulder, don't fuck us over.
This is off topic, but is anyone else locked out of the H thread?
Locked out, like can read it, but can't post? Yeah, it looks like the thread has a lock icon on it.
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- can you elaborate on the "but I do agree: it's *never* LE when packages don't show." ??? at one point I had considered this might have been a honey-tap or like a way for any of the US gov's alphabet agencies to collect US users on here with their true name address, etc - but you're saying no, not at all like that?
I should have explained, it was more a 'tongue in cheek' kind of saying you know, like 'the dog ate my homework' and you would say it's *never* 'the dog ate my homework. Kind of what I'm saying, if I ask my vendor, 'dude, where's my shit...' and he says 'uhh, maybe LE got it?!' All of us got that unlucky? I don't buy that. That that isn't the reason here...not that it's impossible, but it's such a long shot, that some brand new vendor has to come up with something better.
It's not *that* late anyway...main reason I think it's a rip is because he doesn't come here and explain....btw, I just sent him a msg saying exactly that...."getcher ass over here and say 'lighten up bitches, cookies is in the mail!'"
New vendors are expected to show a little more courtesy...experienced vendors, who've been here a while don't have to, but they would just to tell us to shut up, if nothing else...see: italianpilot ha ha...
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Ok, first things first. Everyone that Finalized early and still has 5/5 Feedback needs to go back and change that to 1/5. Do it now. You can always change it back if you get your package.
I agree. EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS. I changed mine this morning with an explanation; referring to the issue of no one receiving, and indicated that I will gladly change it back to 5/5 if people start receiving their packages. Hell, I will even change it back if everyone but me gets their package. I don't want to leave bad feedback for a vendor. It's not something I care to do. If everyone's package makes it, and mine happened to get lost, I'd understand. It's not a reflection on the vendor, thus doesn't warrant a bad review. I probably wouldn't even ask for a refund because I wouldn't want to mess up my stats. But if no one is receiving, then I feel it's my (our) duty to rate low with an explanation so that people don't just FE without a second thought and fall into the same trap.
I'm locked out too.
PS: I think I'm about to grab .25 from Opi cuz I want pebbles. I know tonys obviously clockwork but opi seems very consistent and good so far. Did I mention I want pebbles.
I wonder what's going on. Maybe it's because of all the off topic drama we've been having in there recently. :o
New vendors are expected to show a little more courtesy...experienced vendors, who've been here a while don't have to, but they would just to tell us to shut up, if nothing else...see: italianpilot ha ha...
I agree. As a new buyer, I'm definitely more courteous to vendors, as well when I'm a first time customer to a specific vendor. It should be the same with new vendors. And I guess he wasn't new-NEW because he already had a lot of completed transactions (if memory serves) before he listed this product. He was here before. The reason I point this out is because I have less than 10 transactions, but wouldn't finalize early for vendors who have less than 30 completed transactions, as they are not *allowed* to ask for FE according SR regulations if they they do. And I would have subsequently informed him of this and I'm sure would probably not have refused business in lieu of that info. Many people, vendors and buyers alike are not aware of this rule.
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>:(Why are people still ordering and FEing with him!!! >:( The amount of FE's in the last 5 days is going to rake in a couple grand at least. This is ridiculous and Mod's should take him down. Still no verified order from last weekend. Glad I didn't FE, feel for the people that did though.
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so why do you think ppl keep buying from him? or you think its like him buying on dummy accounts to keep page 1 feedback good? i know forums can be hard to nav for newbs but still.
as for lowering rating i updated my feedback comment yesterday to say i still hadnt gotten and to beware til i had but as it was only (supposedly) sent tues am im not gonna drop that (least all the way to 1) til a weeks gone by. i know you can just change it back but i still feel like i already gave the benefit of the doubt now im prob gonna pay for that but im still not sure so why pretend like i am. i said i was going to drop this cuz i hate speculating but i guess its addictive ha
my main reason for thinking hes a scammer is no one has gotten on here at all to say received, and a lot of people said they ordered couple days before me..and also what some of you have said in terms of his discrepancies in msgs, posts on profile, etc
as for this wierd lock out of modifying msgs etc, is it just h vendor forum or everywhere? im assuming everywhere (ill know as soon as i post this i g) so i doubt its like a punishment for the drama there..
EDIT: oh no it is just there hm.. i guess maybe cuz we were so off topic after r ecent warning? but if its such a big deal they need to just sticky another opiate general thread in rumor mill or something
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so why do you think ppl keep buying from him? or you think its like him buying on dummy accounts to keep page 1 feedback good? i know forums can be hard to nav for newbs but still.
I wouldn't be surprised, good scammer tactic. He's keeping it going until he gets canned, prolly make several thou by the time its said and done. Check out his update, he says he will refund 50% on orders not received in 2 weeks!?! Bullshit.
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Changed my feedback to a 1 and offered a warning.
If I get something in the mail (nothing in today's mail, btw) then I'll change it back, Otherwise, I'm done with it.
Got some tar on the way from Heisenburg, and will be leaking a trail of saliva until it arrives. Mmmmm, I just love the rich, sweet smell of AA.
I'm still a little grumpy about not having dope for the weekend, but at least I'll have a good next week!
Peace and tranquility to everyone here...
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AgentMulder has been reported guys...that's the best I can do.
Waiting on response.
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nomad bloodbath
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i sent a message to sr about 3 days saying i suspect him a scammer. they said they would keep eye on him. wish they had suspended him. SR really needs to start suspending account far more often. a few day suspension to wait for packages to show up isnt end of the world for a vendor. his feedback was so suspicious i think a 3-4 day suspension was in order. really have to wonder if sr would rather have thier commision then suspend suspected scammers. no way anyone could have looked at his feedback let alone someone who runs the site and thought that guy was legit.
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i sent a message to sr about 3 days saying i suspect him a scammer. they said they would keep eye on him. wish they had suspended him. SR really needs to start suspending account far more often. a few day suspension to wait for packages to show up isnt end of the world for a vendor. his feedback was so suspicious i think a 3-4 day suspension was in order. really have to wonder if sr would rather have thier commision then suspend suspected scammers. no way anyone could have looked at his feedback let alone someone who runs the site and thought that guy was legit.
To SR's defense They are banning vendors first and asking questions later i have prove of that last week when many vendors got banned.
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crappy defense, this was the most obvious scammer i think i've ever seen here. As soon as it was reported they should have been suspended. Look i love Sr and have always defended them but when i break down and report something because its so obvious that i cant believe they are still selling and nothing is done its insane. I understand the people who ordered not wanting to do anything because they were living in denial but SR should have done something. they say to report people doing FE's in the buyer guide, I report someone with 4 pages of FE's in 3 days and 3 days later the dude is still raking them in. Have to wonder at this point if SR is just allowing this guy to operate or this guy is SR.
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crappy defense, this was the most obvious scammer i think i've ever seen here. As soon as it was reported they should have been suspended. Look i love Sr and have always defended them but when i break down and report something because its so obvious that i cant believe they are still selling and nothing is done its insane. I understand the people who ordered not wanting to do anything because they were living in denial but SR should have done something. they say to report people doing FE's in the buyer guide, I report someone with 4 pages of FE's in 3 days and 3 days later the dude is still raking them in. Have to wonder at this point if SR is just allowing this guy to operate or this guy is SR.
Yeah, but sketchy isn't scammer until the orders are more than just a day or two late. And since I'd had a decent prior experience with him, I was fairly vocal in defending him, so... Maybe a little leeway was in order.
Turns out you were right, unless somehow Mulder pulls something out of his ass. I wouldn't have finalized early, nor encourage anyone else to, if not for the fact that he'd done me right once before. I hope no one got themselves in a tight spot over this... I feel pretty shitty.
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crappy defense, this was the most obvious scammer i think i've ever seen here. As soon as it was reported they should have been suspended. Look i love Sr and have always defended them but when i break down and report something because its so obvious that i cant believe they are still selling and nothing is done its insane. I understand the people who ordered not wanting to do anything because they were living in denial but SR should have done something. they say to report people doing FE's in the buyer guide, I report someone with 4 pages of FE's in 3 days and 3 days later the dude is still raking them in. Have to wonder at this point if SR is just allowing this guy to operate or this guy is SR.
Yeah, but sketchy isn't scammer until the orders are more than just a day or two late. And since I'd had a decent prior experience with him, I was fairly vocal in defending him, so... Maybe a little leeway was in order.
Turns out you were right, unless somehow Mulder pulls something out of his ass. I wouldn't have finalized early, nor encourage anyone else to, if not for the fact that he'd done me right once before. I hope no one got themselves in a tight spot over this... I feel pretty shitty.
I don't think you have any responsibility here, you were just reporting a pretty valid opinion based on your prior results. You did vouch for him based on a previous successful transaction, and thats pretty understandable.
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AgentMulder's listings are officially removed and his seller account is no longer active.
Nomad, is this a ban, or did he cut and run?
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Thank You !!!
and as I did not FE, I got my BTC deposited straight back into my account - so very happy I did not have to wait to go through the Resolution process and wait for my coins...
Cheers!
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Damnit, I cant believe i hit Finalize, i was trying to finalize for mseller and i clicked the wrong F'ing one! When you ban people what happens if they have funds in their account?
Thats so shitty of people. This guy set up for like a month, doing small transactions here and there building trust and then BOOM now dude has a huge shipment. People who do this kinda shit are indeed the scum of the earth.
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yeah what happens to the funds in the account... i got money tied up with thecloser29.... is there any way i'll ever be able to see any of that???
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yeah i fell for the whole FE early to even tho i never really trusted him in the first place, i had a lot of btc at the time so was like w/e.
but whats this about thecloser29? i just ordered from him yesterday and FE'd so he would express it lol i hope it comes thru.
we need some legit domestic H vendors besides PJ and i havent seen dolfan listings up in a few weeks
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Not so sure about the funds.. I was a dumbass and finalized with Mulder... So, that's on me... But if TheCloser's account was also closed/banned I had a pending order with him but have not received anything from that... Can anyone clarify that's been through this?
Also - Is scamming really that prevalent on SR? It just seems they could have done more with Agent Mulder because they were aware of the strong suspicion against him for a few days... During that time manymany people ordered and FE'd.. Just something seems "off" with how long he was allowed to stick around and do business. I can understand not dropping the hammer and banning immediately... But AT LEAST suspend sales or hell, you could still allow people to order but simply disengage the FE feature... Or just put the money on a temporary hold so the scammer can't just transfer the money out immediately after it comes in.
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I FE'd early because of low-ish transaction count, and it was only $20 so I didn't mine complying with his request. I also did my ordering last Sunday before all of this scamming talk came up so I'm not beating myself up too much about it. Kind of disappointing being one of my first few orders, but thankfully its just $20 and a good lesson learned. I just hope that all of the address info for these transactions was not compromised somehow. I could really care less about the money at this point!
He gave me bullshit responses, and then I changed my feedback score, eventually found my way to this thread, and now everything makes sense, haha. I'm not going to let this deter me from this wonderful marketplace; I am just going to be extra extra careful next time, although sometimes you can't even predict it!
Scummy Scummy Scammers...
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still no reply from SR support about funds in escrow with thecloser29
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crappy defense, this was the most obvious scammer i think i've ever seen here. As soon as it was reported they should have been suspended. Look i love Sr and have always defended them but when i break down and report something because its so obvious that i cant believe they are still selling and nothing is done its insane. I understand the people who ordered not wanting to do anything because they were living in denial but SR should have done something. they say to report people doing FE's in the buyer guide, I report someone with 4 pages of FE's in 3 days and 3 days later the dude is still raking them in. Have to wonder at this point if SR is just allowing this guy to operate or this guy is SR.
Yeah, but sketchy isn't scammer until the orders are more than just a day or two late. And since I'd had a decent prior experience with him, I was fairly vocal in defending him, so... Maybe a little leeway was in order.
Turns out you were right, unless somehow Mulder pulls something out of his ass. I wouldn't have finalized early, nor encourage anyone else to, if not for the fact that he'd done me right once before. I hope no one got themselves in a tight spot over this... I feel pretty shitty.
I don't think you have any responsibility here, you were just reporting a pretty valid opinion based on your prior results. You did vouch for him based on a previous successful transaction, and thats pretty understandable.
I appreciate you saying that. :)
Not so sure about the funds.. I was a dumbass and finalized with Mulder... So, that's on me... But if TheCloser's account was also closed/banned I had a pending order with him but have not received anything from that... Can anyone clarify that's been through this?
Also - Is scamming really that prevalent on SR? It just seems they could have done more with Agent Mulder because they were aware of the strong suspicion against him for a few days... During that time manymany people ordered and FE'd.. Just something seems "off" with how long he was allowed to stick around and do business. I can understand not dropping the hammer and banning immediately... But AT LEAST suspend sales or hell, you could still allow people to order but simply disengage the FE feature... Or just put the money on a temporary hold so the scammer can't just transfer the money out immediately after it comes in.
I wouldn't say it's any more prevalent here than any other time you deal with people. Some of us humans are just fuckers, pure and simple. Drug dealers and users are not the only scammers out there. For further study see: Congress, Wall Street, and Corporate Capitalism. Caveat emptor... How long has that Latin phrase been around?
But I don't think a vendor should be outright banned simply because folks voluntarily choose to finalize early... And we can't know for sure that someone is a scammer until the packages just don't arrive.
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Well... I prefer to be scammed by Wall Street and Congress because to be honest I really don't know I'm being scammed:-) Plus... I'm used to that anyway!
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SR is littered with the bones of those who finalized early and go outside the escrow system. There's really not much SR management can do to stop the scumbag scammers. The power is in your hands. And yes, it might mean having to do without because you're new. But better to do without than be out.
I'm sorry you guys got scammed. Spread the word so people will start to develop in their minds a profile of what a scam might look like.
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This douche bag ripped me for $5btc. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones because it was *only* $5btc, but it was only my second purchase on SR so it definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. Is there any way to recover your loss if you finalize early at the seller's request, or does that wrap it up?
AM, if you're reading these posts, you may as well throw away all that info I gave to you in trade unless you think you're smarter than the FBI. I made sure every last name was red flagged with Visa, MasterCard and American Express.
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Unfortunately, your money is lost.
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I think they caught mulder just right: just because a vendor is new, and asks people to finalize early, doesn't make him a scammer. This time the accused *was* bad, but sometimes they are just late with deliveries. And with so many good vendors asking new buyers to finalize early, it's hard for buyers to know who's who around here.
I think the mods are diligent enough. The two times I've been scammed it was on me, no one to blame: I know how to be xtra careful, and sometimes just let down my guard. And we forget the variety of ways to scam around here. The selective scammers are the hardest to deal with, and they too have walked off with thousands of other people's money.
We just need to be careful, and pass on whatever we've learned to the new people, and maybe have a little acceptance about the nature of what we are dealing with: we're lucky we got as good a system as we do.
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I placed an order with this dirtbag and I think it was around $6-7 BTCs. I continue to email him he kept giving me bullshit responses about how it was going to arrive on such and such date but never did. I feel sick now. Why wasn't anything done about it sooner?
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I placed an order with this dirtbag and I think it was around $6-7 BTCs. I continue to email him he kept giving me bullshit responses about how it was going to arrive on such and such date but never did. I feel sick now. Why wasn't anything done about it sooner?
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That's probably the main question on a lot of people's minds, particularly if they are new here. It has to be a fair system, and if they moved any quicker, it would be unfair to vendors. Sometimes it's just late mail, or customs, or other things.
This place has improved incredibly since they first started, but it's still a happily darwinian setup, where you're kind of on your own, especially with regards 'reliability.' Vendors also get nailed, by buyers who start complaining and would turn them in, when all it is is lost or misplaced mail.
Good to remember to drop some btc on the moderators too, as they don't make any money for doing this! And also, once again, it's a painful reminder to always always keep new vendors in escrow: if they ask us to finalize early, that should be the first big warning that they are no good.
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That's really really shitty that he would do that. I honestly feel like I should be reimbursed for the btc. I mean this cat had almost a perfect seller rating how could anyone not know?
Also, i've had a few other people ask me to FE and everytime I did they came through just not in this case.
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That's really really shitty that he would do that. I honestly feel like I should be reimbursed for the btc. I mean this cat had almost a perfect seller rating how could anyone not know?
Also, i've had a few other people ask me to FE and everytime I did they came through just not in this case.
again, let me say this again: (first off, cheers for getting on the Forum and doing some reading/homework) - his "perfect" 99+ rating was not from completed sales - it was people who think it's a good idea to leave a 5/5 Feedback when they FE - it only makes "appear" like a good vendor. Half the people who were FE and ordering from him up until the last minutes before he was booted, did not read all the threads and pages about Mulder being a Hep. C cunt scammer.
you can ALWAYS change your Feedback later, after he delivers, but for everyone to FE and give 5/5 Feedback is really just making it more difficult for al those who want to place an order with a new Vendor and NOT read up on them on the Forum BEFORE they place an order.
ALWAYS stay i Escrow with any new Vender.
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That's really really shitty that he would do that. I honestly feel like I should be reimbursed for the btc. I mean this cat had almost a perfect seller rating how could anyone not know?
Also, i've had a few other people ask me to FE and everytime I did they came through just not in this case.
I agree with Toeless - Good to see you're starting on the forums early.. That would have saved me some BTC! Anyway, but in response to your reimbursement.... SR is more of a conduit or facilitator of the sale.. They have no real responsibility to reimburse you. They do have the responsibility to make attempts to make it as reliable and fair (to both parties) as possible... Which, they actively try to do that. From start to finish, Mulder's scam was caught in a week or so... Which isn't too bad. Although, I have posted differently in other threads when I was frustrated.
Just keep in mind the type of purchases you are doing... Even if you did get scammed it's much better than buying the crap on the street.. Where I for one, have been robbed at gun point and threatened with my life etcetc... This is a much safer alternative.
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I have purchased from this vendor once before and it got here with no issues (sorry if this post is short i haven't been able to post and have been trying for three days so have little faith for this one!)
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:( This thread confirms my suspicions. As a new user to SR, AgentMulder required me to finalize early and it seems I've been scammed out of the $50 or so I paid for -- what I assumed was -- some good domestic product. I ordered Tuesday of last week, and he informed me to FE for shipment on Wed. As of now, I've received product from another vendor that was ordered at an even later time!
Lesson learned! I've got to use the escrow system from now on or be doubly sure these vendors are trustworthy.
Anyone receive product ordered last week? Somewhat ironic was that this guy's sign off on messages was "Trust no one" ... What a douche.
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Douche indeed! Word is he has already started another account doing the same thing. Not sure of the username, but just beware in general. 50 bucks is a small price to pay for a lesson in being scammed:)
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I should note that he did ask me to finalize early, but I did not, and I did get my shipment. His exact words were
"Thanks for your business! Due to your great seller history, I won't require you to finalize early. However, as you probably know, it is greatly appreciated. ;) Your product will be sent out TODAY either way!"
I didn't realize it at the time but he put due to my great seller history...and I'm not a seller. weird.
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That's really really shitty that he would do that. I honestly feel like I should be reimbursed for the btc. I mean this cat had almost a perfect seller rating how could anyone not know?
Also, i've had a few other people ask me to FE and everytime I did they came through just not in this case.
Yep, I know it can make you feel pretty bad, and toelessJoe is right, but this guy was pretty obvious: most new vendors that are any good at all, know they have to stay in escrow to build up a rep.
I'm getting more worried lately about the fact we're about due for another 'selective scammer' . I've seen two of them so far, one--a girl, I don't remember her handle--did me right, but didn't come thru for a bunch of people, but she stayed in escrow, so I don't really consider her a scammer, tho others do.
The other was ItalianPilot, and he came through with good dope for a lot of people, and they would get kind of angry at people who started freaking out when their shit didn't arrive, and he had asked a whole lot of us to 'help him out' by finalizing early. And many of us did. Then he pulled a second scam: saying he'd gotten a bad batch, but that if we'd re-up and FE, he'd give us the best deal in the world, blah blah blah: again, so many people had good dope, that they would defend, even after 2 weeks, then 3 weeks went by, still no dope...that's the big worry. He got a bunch of people's money. A good guy, actually: just another junky, and if the need is great enough, I guess we all go down the tubes...
We have several really good vendors who still demand that people finalize early, and I'm just going to stick to vendors who will work within escrow: there are enough good ones that there is no real reason to FE anymore. This Fanny Hill looks really interesting, and works within escrow, and is offering good deals, so that should work out....Vendors that ask that buyers with good reps finalize early must realize that it leaves us totally defenseless if the shit hits the fan, and it's just not worth it anymore...
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Hey there phubaiblues and others considering ordering from Fanny Hill. I just want to let you know my experience-
I ordered from Fanny Hill almost 3 weeks ago and have not received anything.
The communication is vague and I have also had some issues with miscommunication as of late in regards to my order and what not even after I had sent my transaction number and all other info pertaining to it (even though they should have all this info) and being VERY patient.
I wish I had more insight into what was going on... I do know that it does seem that some people have received their orders after excuses and waiting and waiting, but I have not. Very frustrating as we all know to have money tied up for almost 3 weeks and vendor having no idea apparently where my order is and now seems that even though they have a record of my order they act like it is my mistake on my end (how this could be I am not sure since, again, they have all records as to what order is and where it is going) and now don't reply when I sent them the exact info from my transaction record.
I Just want those that are thinking about using Fanny Hill to understand what they could be getting into... deception and lies about when your order has gone out (if it even has) and communication that is just unbelievably frustrating.
I will keep posted if my plight changes in the next day or two, but otherwise be careful with Fanny Hill...
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Thanks for posting that, JohnAdams ^^^ ... with some vendors who are delivering, it's hard to post negative experience, as often other buyers attack you...but I try to read them all, and come to my own conclusions. The heroin world on here has always had outright ripoffs, and selective ripoffs, and just plain old junky dealers who can't keep it together....but on our end, I'm not sure that it matters: we either get what we paid for, or we don't.
Probably a good idea--it you haven't already--to post it in the main 'H' forum, as a lot of people, that's the only forum they read now that site has grown. And also, if there is some mistake, vendors do read that thread, and sometimes will try to right wrongs, so they can move on...as hopefully mondomax is doing as we speak, haha...(I'm still waiting on a gram from him)
Anyway, as long as there are still good powder vendors, I stick with that, and so far, the main "H" forum is a good place to find out what is going on....